1. derek says:

    Hi, Detlev

    just made a post on my blog re: your post and its turned up here in your comments.

    How’d that happen ? Is it a trackback ?

    cheers

    derek

  2. Lucie Bellemare says:

    Hi Detlev,

    Ok, thanks for clarifying it a bit.

    I didn’t like the way it was written before, where you were saying that adding just one more level made the opportunity illegal!

    Because when there is a product that stands in its own right, even if there are many referral levels, the opportunity is legal. As you point out, it is illegal when there is no product involved.

    Thanks!

    Lucie

  3. Carol Bell says:

    Hi Detlev,

    I was unhappy with the way that your article seemed to say that all MLM was bad. Please don’t knock MLM, there are many well known companies out there such as Amway, Kleeneze and Herbalife that can provide you with a very good income.

    MLM is legal in many countries including the USA and UK (and in the UK is very strictly regulated). If you are planning to join a MLM make sure it is one registered with the DSA (Direct Selling Association) or other regulatory body.

    I think that Paypal is wrong to ban multi-level payments as they are quiet legal as long as there is a product involved. But who am I to question Paypal.

    Carol

  4. Carol Bell says:

    Hi Detlev,

    I do agree, not very many people are good at recruiting. It is a lot more difficult than the companies would have you believe. With most recruits dropping out after a few weeks/months.

    I suppose I am biased because I had good experience of MLM and managed to make a reasonable living just through selling products (I only ever managed to recruit two people who stayed in my downline).

    However I think it is much easier to build a website business than having to worry about selling and shipping products and chasing payments so perhaps MLM has had its day.

    Carol

  5. detlev says:

    Hi Derek,

    yes, that’s what’s called a trackback. If you are linking to posts on another website, the original blog which posted the news, will add it to their comments – all done automatically by the blogging software

    Detlev

  6. Are you saying that GDI, TrafficWave and those kinds of programs are illegal? That would be far-fetched, in my opinion. If they were, there wouldn’t be just Paypal who would be after them, don’t you think? They would be closed down by the proper authorities.

    Or have I misread your post? Am I missing something?

    Thanks for any additional info you will provide!

    Lucie

  7. detlev says:

    Hi Lucie,

    I was probably a bit unclear in the article: I was referring to the “disguised” MLM schemes where no real product was involved in the whole process but marketing the “opportunity” itself and the money making potential only.

    As far as I know about TrafficWave and GDI, they have real products – even though TrafficWave is rather a service, I would say. I have rewritten the unclear paragraphs in the article and I hope, it’s less confusing now.

    Detlev

  8. detlev says:

    Hi Carol,

    even though I personally dislike MLM because of negative experiences in the past, I understand that there are several MLM companies which provide good products – like the ones you’ve mentioned.

    But I really hate those “biz opp MLMs” which are simply taking advantage of newbies new to the Internet and business in particular. It can cost several hundreds of dollars in monthly fees before they recognize that recruiting isn’t for them…

    Detlev

  9. Marcello says:

    Hi Detlev,

    Great article, it’s funny that I found this blog today, I am putting a Video together on how to identify Illegal Pyramid schemes.

    Marcello

  10. John says:

    Detlev,

    I attended an Ambit meeting this evening. Within the first 10 minutes, I knew it smelled of a pyramid scheme. I said to myself “I know they’re gonna make me pay for something. I’ll give it a shot if it’s under $100.” But it’s over $400. I’m just trying to pay my $300 rent.

    There were all these people saying “4 months ago, I was just like YOU! Now I wake up at noon in my yacht in Miami” or “I get 20 grand a month.” or some other extraordinary claims. Is it possible that ambit energy pays them to lie about their successes?

  11. smion says:

    Having recently signed up to GDI as one of those \’newbies\’I am considering quitting. it seems its really on a knife edge between legitimate affiliate program and sleazy pyramid scheme. officially they have product which is a website and email account but $10 per month is a very high price for what you get. I wouldn\’t pay that for the product. I \’brought\’ the bizniss opportunity with dollar sings in my eyes. I almost think it would be better to re-sell the whole thing as marketing training with a website for 10 dollars a month. I have recieved quite good step by step training materials and resources from my \’upline\’. Also those at the bottom of the pyramid are not getting \’nothing\’. they still have a \’product\’ although its really a pretty crap one. The reason i\’m considering not quitting is because I figure its a good resource for getting genuine and effective training in online marketing because the people giving it to me have a very strong vested interest in seeing me \’recruit\’ effectively. But really I smell something unpleasant about it so going to have to find my training some other way. Can\’t push something I don\’t like!


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